All about Reservation

Following are some of the mails in the to and against regional(Gujju) reservation in da-iict. I liked both the arguments :). They have made many valid points and have tired really to reason out from both the side.
This is a true democracy and I love and respect each opinion down here. Hope the people in politics have so healthy conversation one day instead of barking against each other like dogs.

Well coming back to the point of reservation. In my opinion reservation in any form is meant to support a community to bring it to the level of others.
Ideally speaking from individual reservation base point.
Caste based reservation helps in at last some people from downtrodden caste to forcefully mix with upper caste people. This will help in diminishing the caste feelings.Region based reservation will help or support in bring people of particular region to come on par with other people.And if you consider in financial side there are subsidise given to people so that government can support the business that they are doing.

So speaking of support is for a time period it cannot continue for every which gives unnatural advantage to one person over other. When we introduce reservation or subsidies or any such measures it is only to mend the stream of our growth in proper direction against a natural flow. But it is important to understand that we can only change the direction or control it for time period as it caused lot of unrest among masses.

The correct way to go about is a NATURAL way where every human has equal opportunity and there is healthy competition among them for the benefit of humanity at large.

Now coming to the exact discussion here, well the first author says that reservation is for spreading awareness among masses but i think awareness must and can be spread through other means. This say with any other issue. Still this is reasonably best possible reason given to the madness of reservation for which i dont think guj govt has thought that much before passing the act. I am really impressed by your thoughts for great India and only counter your argument that it can only be done though reservation.

For second author I think he is more business minded. For a country like India the balanced growth is as much important as growth itself. For this the government tries a lot , I agree that reservation may be bad means to do the same but it is equally very important to grow in a balanced way. This goes a long way in keeping the national integration and unity and avoiding the friction among the people from more developed states with that of less developed states. One of the classic example are the recent riots in Maharashtra by MNS leader trying to throw away people from UP and Bihar who due to economic poverty have immigrated to industrialized places in Maharashtra. So even if we can invest all our money in making mumbai a hong kong like city or for that any other city we spend billions of ruppes on NE states from which government earn almost income or other taxes. You may say education is different than economy but in a sense no. They are almost same. Gujrat might be economically rich state but educationally poor state.

Hello All,

I am Maulik Soni, did my M Tech from DAIICT & I am from Gujarat.
If you read, kindly read till the end despite of long email.

I have been reading this conversation since it's initiated & after reading email from Prof. Chetan Parikh, I thought I would also like to write my opinion on this as well.

1st, I would like to explain situation of education in Gujarat. In Gujarat, education is not given highest priority as our state is mostly driven through small scale businesses. Ppl usually put their children to pursue minimal education & hand over business. Young ppl also get into business despite of whatever education they have. So many ppl even dont know abt differences in engg college(s) in Gujarat & an IIT. In my time also, 95% students were not aware of IITs & rest 5% didn't want to go to the IITs. Thus, in Gujarat there is a definite lack of awareness & students have less exposure to elite institutions & quality of education. I'll say students are definitely brilliant, but exposure is too less. Native Gujarati Students dont event think of appearing for JEE / AIEEE / PMT etc.

Now, as per my understanding and as the initial definition of quota, quota came into existence to provide equal opportunity & exposure to underprivileged or unexposed students. The root cause behind quota was to allow a generation of students an exposure that they might not have thought of if not pushed deliberately to it. If one generation is given exposure, definitely next generation (at least) will be able to think about better quality education.

Suppose you are a CEO of an organization. Everybody in your org. is not capable of doing all things. So what you do ?? You combine ppl with less & more ability to do same task, so that the less ability person will have exposure to do such a task independently next time. A trainee / new joinee is always put under mentoring to get more exposure. Same is with govt. For govt. all students are same, some are capable, some are not. So they are doing same - put these together so that all get equal exposure & opportunity - by means of Quota. This should essentially bridge the gap between the Rich(education wise) & the Poor(education wise).

The major difference between the Org. & Govt. is that in org. there is a time limit within which, the unexposed must get exposure & show results. While, in quota there is no time limit. Here I put strong objection. Quota must have limit of time, say quota for 5 to 10 years only. After that it must be removed. If this is not the case, it will become a nuisance and certainly not solve its original purpose.

So, I believe, Quota is not bad, but quota without time limit is extremely bad.

So, ideally what should be done now - as quota is implemented - to preserve quality, culture of institution, quality of students keeping in mind that original goodwill behind quota is also fulfilled.

In my view, if students of institute ignore/neglect the quota based students, it spoils institute culture & quality more than gaining anything. If we, students want to see India grow & all students of India get opportunity, then we should try to support such students in polishing skills & get them up to the mark so that next time they don't require quota to join the institute. If we see only smaller picture of quality of institution, it seems quota degrades it, but if we see bigger picture of India as a country, then it seems quota may improve overall education amongst larger mass of people. We, Gujaratis should make ppl more aware about such competitive exams & elite institutions, education quality etc. Similarly, you, who are studying should try to support others as well.

Now, who is victim of all these ??? What price to pay for all these ??
Victims are those who have got higher rank in AIEEE, who are not from Gujarat & who could also not get into DAIICT. If in one's family out of two children, one is sharp in studies & gets to IIT & other is weak in studies & doesnt get into IIT, parents definitely think of other way to settle him in life through other means. Not getting into IIT is not end of career/life.

So, all in all, in my opinion, quota is good but time limit has to be there. We should try best to increase awareness about quality education, competitive exams (JEE, AIEEE, PMT, GATE, CAT etc), support students to hone skills & not deteriorating culture & quality of DAIICT.
We should also hope & try that quota will have a reassessment by monitoring the effect of it and be subsequently REMOVED if certain parameters like, X % number of students of Gujarat have started appearing for AIEEE or have got admission into elite (say top 25) institutions etc. Our more efforts towards this will effectively enable India & unexposed students, both to grow at same time.

Regards,
-> Maulik Soni.

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Other Opinion --->

Sir

I have few doubts:

You wrote:
Suppose you are a CEO of an organization. Everybody in your org. is not capable of doing all things. So what you do ?? You combine ppl with less & more ability to do same task, so that the less ability person will have exposure to do such a task independently next time. A trainee / new joinee is always put under mentoring to get more exposure. Same is with govt. For govt. all students are same, some are capable, some are not. So they are doing same - put these together so that all get equal exposure & opportunity - by means of Quota. This should essentially bridge the gap between the Rich(education wise) & the Poor(education wise).

Doubt 1. : If there is a CEO, i guess he should think how he could manage all guys accordingly. For example a person X is expert in A task but poor in B task and the other guy Y is expert in B task but poor in A task. I suppose a CEO will always put the person X for A and the person Y for B task.
And then collectively he(CEO) can increase the output of the organization.
Also giving an exposure in new fields may increase their education level academically but also consider the decline in business activities where they already are outstanding.

You wrote:
Now, who is victim of all these ??? What price to pay for all these ??
Victims are those who have got higher rank in AIEEE, who are not from Gujarat & who could also not get into DAIICT. If in one's family out of two children, one is sharp in studies & gets to IIT & other is weak in studies & doesnt get into IIT, parents definitely think of other way to settle him in life through other means. Not getting into IIT is not end of career/life.

Doubt 2. : If somebody doesn't get into IIT, he/she will find other streams in career.
But if somebody is already in other stream and generating good outputs, still should he/she try for other options?? if Yes, what if he/she turned out to be a failure??
See the students from rajasthan, bihar etc, they study not because they want to go to IIT or somewhere else but because they don't have other options to follow.

You Wrote:
1st, I would like to explain situation of education in Gujarat. In Gujarat, education is not given highest priority as our state is mostly driven through small scale businesses. Ppl usually put their children to pursue minimal education & hand over business. Young ppl also get into business despite of whatever education they have. So many ppl even dont know abt differences in engg college(s) in Gujarat & an IIT. In my time also, 95% students were not aware of IITs & rest 5% didn't want to go to the IITs. Thus, in Gujarat there is a definite lack of awareness & students have less exposure to elite institutions & quality of education. I'll say students are definitely brilliant, but exposure is too less. Native Gujarati Students dont event think of appearing for JEE / AIEEE / PMT etc.

Doubt 3. : Say for example in upcoming years India starts making new advance technology missiles, "[option 1]should everybody still go for an exposure of missiles" or "[option 2]shall we put best guys for technology and also best guys to pump enough money, which they make from business."
I guess option 2nd is more practical.
I agree: students from gujarat are definitely brilliant, but in business.

You wrote:
Now, as per my understanding and as the initial definition of quota, quota came into existence to provide equal opportunity & exposure to underprivileged or unexposed students. The root cause behind quota was to allow a generation of students an exposure that they might not have thought of if not pushed deliberately to it. If one generation is given exposure, definitely next generation (at least) will be able to think about better quality education.

Doubt 4:. I guess here is a little misunderstanding, the root cause of quota was to empower the poor and backward classes not the students, so that the difference between poor and rich in financial terms can be reduced. The quota was never related or meant for exposure in education. In business also somebody like Dhirubhai Ambani can have world class exposure.

You wrote:
The major difference between the Org. & Govt. is that in org. there is a time limit within which, the unexposed must get exposure & show results. While, in quota there is no time limit. Here I put strong objection. Quota must have limit of time, say quota for 5 to 10 years only. After that it must be removed. If this is not the case, it will become a nuisance and certainly not solve its original purpose.

Doubt 5. : Say today there is a family having a kid of 5 years age. After 10 years the quota is removed, what will happen to his educational exposure as he is still in higher secondary.
Now somebody may say that by that time awareness will be spread all around and the kid can fight for quality education but what about the increment in awareness of students of other states as the awareness will increase in same ratio. And I guess at that time the competition would be too high to survive.

You wrote:
We should also hope & try that quota will have a reassessment by monitoring the effect of it and be subsequently REMOVED if certain parameters like, X % number of students of Gujarat have started appearing for AIEEE or have got admission into elite (say top 25) institutions etc. Our more efforts towards this will effectively enable India & unexposed students, both to grow at same time.

Doubt 6. : If we are so concerned about India and unexposed students, shouldn't we make some mechanism to give quota in business in gujarat, in mining in Jharkhand and Urisa, in film industry in Mumbai etc. to the people of other states. The answer should be NO because gujarati people are good in business, people from jharkhand are expert in mining and mumbai has a hell lot of talented person in film Industry.
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So the final solution should be: We should not go for quota at least in Education because it is an important issue that can turn upside down.

Yeah for some time we can go for quota in jobs excluding the creamy layer.

Also why can't we go for 50% women quota in education, as i can say they are far left behind all over India than gujarati students.

cheers
Anurag
www.ceres.co.in
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Bavra Mann Dekhne Chala

Bavra Mann Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna
Bavra Mann Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna

Bavre Se Mann, Ki Dekho Bavri Hain Baatein
Bavre Se Mann, Ki Dekho Bavri Hain Baatein
Bavri Se Dhadkaane Hain, Bavri Hain Saansen
Bavri Si Karwaton Se, Nindiya Door Bhaage
Bavre Se Nain Chaahe, Bavre Jharokhon Se, Bavre Nazaron Ko Takna.
Bavra Mann Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna

Bavre Se Is Jahan Main Bavra Ek Saath Ho
Is Sayani Bheed Main Bas Haathon Mein Tera Haath Ho
Bavri Si Dhun Ho Koi, Bavra Ek Raag Ho
Bavri Si Dhun Ho Koi, Bavra Ek Raag Ho
Bavre Se Pair Chahen, Baavron Tarano Ke, Bavre Se Bol Pe Thirakna.
Bavra Mann, Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna

Bavra Sa Ho Andhera, Bavri Khamoshiyan
Bavra Sa Ho Andhera, Bavri Khamoshiyan
Thartharati Low Ho Maddham, Bavri Madhoshiyan
Bavra Ek Ghooghta Chahe, Haule Haule Bin Bataye, Bavre Se Mukhde Se Sarakana,
Bavra Mann, Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna

Mother am i not your child

Mother am i not your child

I know you love thou children and protect them
See them as delicate and new borns into this world
you hide them from harsh realities taking pain on you
I know you want to feed them with honey and necter


i love thy child as my brother
And play with him in a youthful happiness
I can feel spring of love that you usher on him
from the depth of your heart

Where is that love when thou look at me
why has spring dried into a desert
why not treat me as your own
Don't you see the child in me

not am i innocent as my bro
don't I have that pretty face
or am i that shabby that you desist me
Mother am i not like your own child

burden why mother when you stay with me
scold me if i have done wrong
but tell me not, everything i do is wrong
Don't you see the injustice done in blindness of love

Mother am i not your child

Getting Better Never Stops

"To whatever level you reach, getting better never stops". Indeed a human persona is that of getting better every second during his time span. Right from birth we start learning new things, understanding things and comprehending things, thus making a better by the moment. It a continuous improvement through out the life span. The volume of information and knowledge in this world so huge that at no point of time can our amount of learning satiate the desire for learning.

As we grow old our desire may decrease but never go away. As i believe the men is already dead if he stops learning. Even the greatest or the most knowledgeable human being will alway have something to learn from others. Life is a thrille if you challenge the limitation of the current understanding and think out of box, Start looking at the same thing or action from different perspective and number of different perspectives available to look are innumerable possibilities.

Average human life span is fixed, now it is left to us to choose the path learning.

How many times you felt that the other being are better off than you ? How do you justify the time spent by you? Do you regret for the time lost or decision made? Well if a can say life is like non deterministic finite automate. Life can pass through n-different states and each decision can lead to k different states where k varies from 1 to n then all we see is

current-state + decision + next state + decision + next state ... so on and so forth...

THE GIFT

"I want to give you something, my child for we are drifting in the stream of world
our lives will be carried apart, and our love forgotten
But I am not so foolish to hope that I could buy your heart with my gifts
Young is your life , your path long and you drink the love we bring you at one drought and trun and run away from us!
you have your play and playmates. What harm is there if you have no time or thought for us!
We, indeed , have leisure enough in old age to count the days that are past, to cherish in our hearts what our hands have lost for ever.
The river runs swift with a song, braking through all barriers. But the moutain stays and remembers, and follows her with his love."

-- Rabindranath Tagore

Let the justice prevail (unfinished yet)

Justice and Equality

"A baby born with a billion dollars--where is the personal merit in that? A baby born with nothing-- where is the personal demerit in that? The one is fawned upon, admired,worshiped, by sycophants, the other is neglected and despised -- where is the sense in it?" Mark Twian

What kind of justice do we crave for. Every one blames his poor condition and wants to improve to a better future. Some fight hard and some have liberty of it from their birth. Justice and equality are only the terms of book or literary ideologies. Nothing seems to be further from truth as to judge a person for what he has done with short sightedness of the event. A human is infected by lot of thoughts which arise due to situation an individual is or has been through during in his life span. His personality is itself shaped by it. Judging a person based on the visibility of the facts from an external observer stand point may not lead to justice.

No man can judge other man not even the one who thinks knows everything about justice can do it. Take a case of person who has murdered his parents and family due to some extra martial affair or case of child killing his gradmother for not letting him have his personal space or any other case where the sinner has sinned by killing other being. What do justice say ? It says to keep the boy or person away from society in a prison or hang him to death or beat him to give him pain. Pain, death and issolation are the punishments that are often thought of as a mean to provide justice. To me this type of justice is a faction justice where a person of the rival gang has to be killed because one of our group has got killed. Most people then have a question if not for pain who do you expect to give justice to the persons where they have suffered due to the innumerable crimes of sinner. I don't cliam to have answer and I agree with all my good heart that its indeed difficult to think of an alternative to, pain the sinner so that he realises that what had gone through victims when they were at his or receiving end. But this is an easy sought justice which even a layman can think off, its a tit for tat action or a reaction towards the assumed sinner for the wrongful deed done in the limited timeframe of visibility.

As has been said by Mark Twian in his saying earlier. The social sense of justice is highly biased and is always depent on three major thing EDUCATION, MONEY and POWER. By birth every human born is equally potent but the situations through which we pass through has very lasting effect on the mind. Also to choose the surrounding is again not within the reach of an individualistic selection, if not for that every one have choosen to be at the best. Believe me no one wants to be left away and every one competes to being the best as he understands the best. Now as per my perception the best for me need not be same as for others because i keep the boundaries to my limitation and I try to challege though boundaries but in reality no boundry exists. So best is again comparitive term and depends on the time. So if we ask a just born babies about the best situation they want to be in, I wonder if they can what would be their answer. Then as the days pass and they start learning the so called realities and get used to perception of objects. The events and sense effect their mind already and the variation in the best starts emerging. The more days pass on each individual goes in his unique trajectory. This is the AXIOM of life.

NO two persons can at any given point of time in given space exists in unison.

Every person measures his perception of the events with other assuming that the other person is also perceiving the same thing in a similar way.

Pain

Given the fact that getting an alternative for pain to do justice is indeed difficult now first us let us dewel on "pain" . This is most sort out means for justice that is used through ages right from childhood, parents and teachers use physical pain and mental pain(fear) as means of punishment. They teach discipline through pain. They give us tasks which if not accomplish punish us by giving metal pain i.e by torturing as to telling us to inform the parents of poor performence. It is used by even taking revange as the thought of giving pain to the opposition gives a great deal of satisfaction to the self. When at the old age people suffer from diseases people say that god is taking a revenge from human by givening physical and mental pain for all the sins he has done for this life and the pre-lifes that he lived (if at all you believe in rebirth). So in this case we are indirectly saying that even GOD uses pain as means do justice. Infact it seems hell is only a store room of pain where your sins are weighed for the amount of pain that you will need to undergo !!!! This may seem rediculous to you at start, but think deeply and you will see that pain in the main weapon that any one has, neither a nuclear weapon or hydrogen bomb can ever replace this weapon. Infact suffering is only result of pain that we have. Pain is the main component of life. Its a differentiating line between live and a dead or non life thing. Such is the greatness 0f pain that it is source for all life as we experience in this universe. Now how do being feel pain or the source of interpretation or the medium through which the pain is communicated is through senses. These are used by living specie to communicate pain to the great conciousness.

All the sensual impluses are constantly conveyed for sensing all the pain. Now see the beauty pain is also an alarm of damage. It warns us and thus helping us protect ourselves too !!! Human body pain as measure and means to protect ourselves from the dangers.

Now this weapon can be used both in a constructive way just like giving a pain to young mind to give knowledge or distructive way where people can be made to suffer from pain for some selfish motive. Well I dont support either, but if i have to as expected i will always chose the prior to latter.

Now what pain are we giving the accused the physical pain to his body . So do we think that giving the accused give the physical pain cancels the pain or crueality he might have done to other being.

LIFE IN EXAM

The Time ticks and the bell rang

There comes a hand pushing papers on my desk
my mind is clean as an young born child
I close my eyes and pray to god
"take me through with the hurdle before me "

The time ticks on and bell rigs

I hear the tearing of papers ...
and see every one is in hurry to go on the conquest
to capture the beast
and claim their victory

The time ticks on and on

I see the first problem before me ...
something seems to be wrong ..
I haven't got the question ..
I read and re-read the question

The time ticks on and on

" Nope there goes a question above my head ... " I think
Fear start running through my spine
I close my eyes again to regain the lost confidence
I say to my self " ..lets try the next question"

The time ticks on and on

Question after Question seems to be in alien script
I start wondering have I got the wrong paper
I look around to get the feel
People cry .."additional sir"

The time ticks on and on

I try my futile attempts to work something on paper ...
I feel the time has stopped and
people around me are busy jutting down their solutions
I decide to relay on my only last option

The time ticks on and on

There come a caution of last 15 mins
I poke my fellow stud at front to get some clue
teacher catches and warning are passed...
there is nothing i can do now

the time ticks on and on ...

I peep out of the window at the free bird
wonder why can't I be like it...
I feel dejected about the hard work i kept on the subject ...
I look around for the last call waiting like person who's death is fixed

The time ticks and the bell ring ...

The same hand come this time to snatch the empty paper from me
I pack my stuff and run through the door like mad rhino
everyone discusses about the problem and marks
I sit down to write this poem

In the name of : Chapter 1: The Begining

Authors Note: Below is story about a boy. The story is in a narative manner (DRAMA TYPE). I have no much experience in story telling or write, but have a strong desire deep inside me. Let me see where it leads. Any feedback or comments is welcome.



ALL CHARECTERS IN THIS DRAMA/STORY ARE FICTICIOUS AND ANY RESEMBLENCE IS A SHERE COINICIDENCE





In the name of



Chapter 1 :The Begining



There is total darkness and flashes come from cameras as a grand house backed is now visible with the noise of peoples hush..hush can be heard. Every one around was talking of something as if something amazing has happened.



"Hi my name is, hmmm well I think you figure it in due course so I would better wait let you figure that out." The words come in an (old) woman voice .


"Today somebody is thinking of me in his dreams and admiring in those beautiful looks.
{in the dream}(people shouting) ... people are crazy about me .. clicking my pictures .. everyone is memerised by beautiy of my display and grace.... everyone want me to be part of his life.. I can see in those eyes... "


Suddenly a royal CAR stops between the crowd and a gentlemen (a child with suit) steps out of it and he walks out of the car and everyone in the crowd are jealous of him


He laughs at all the people ... "hahaha.. "


Suddenly there is a fire alarm and smoke comes out of the back ground house. Everyone present there start running in panic and environment suddenly turn chaotic. There are screams all around and somebody seems to gather a stick and beat the gentlemen... """
The screams get louder and louder and now he can clearly listen to them "Wake up sleepy!!! wake up chintu... !! wake up .. u are already getting late for the drawing exam... " saying this Sheela mother of Chintu walks into Kithchen.


Feeling still sleepyly chintu opens his one eye to check the time. It was 8:00 and the exam was at 9:00. He says to himself in low tone "well, its only 8:00..." and pulls the blanket back and sleeps. In few minutes Sheela enters chintu's room to pull the blanket away and started lecturing him and cleaning his room saying "Man should leave laziness. They will only grow if they are active"" and it goes on and on ...
Having no alternative he gets in a dejected manner and goes to wash his face and gets ready for school. Then there is shoute from Kitchen "Chintu are you ready ?" Hearing this he quickly brushes his hair and runs towards Kitchen saying "ya ma.. I am coming"



Seeing him fresh Sheela gives him breakfast and milk, while he is eating she goes to make ready his bag for the exam. After some time she comes towards him and sits beside him till he is done. As Chintu prepares to go towards the washbasin she pulles him kisses him on his forehead and says "My good son .. !! Now get going and ya .. check if I have kept all the items you have to take for your exam..!! The bag is in your room"


Then there is Knok on the door .. and a shout from the friend of chintu... "Chintu come fast bus is about to move .. come quick" ...


Chintu looks at the watch .. " damn its already 8:40 .. why is the time against me .. " quickly picks up his baggage and in hurry ties his half shoe lace.. when a horn is heard and he starts running... "Mama bye!! Will be back "


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There are students waiting outside a room.







The drawing exam is normally held as last exam and is not of much significance as it has only pass or fail grade associated with it. Also in the record of school none of the student who has attended the exam has ever failed.


There was a full hush hush out side the drawing room as the exam was going to begin in few minutes... and every is in a playful mood.. All were making plans of what they will do after exam.. some were eager to finish off the exam and run to their houses to enjoy .. some were having a holiday trip and happiness and uneasiness were abundantly present in the air.
There is bell and every is asked to come into to the room collect a sheet of paper and start drawing a landscape ...
In every one's mind Mountains flashed... rivers were flowing ... tress and bushes with greenery around.... some started thinking of great monuments Taj Mahal, Charminar.. red fort ... and the list goes..
Before start some go and are getting node of the drawing master...
Chintu had no idea what landscape to draw.. he was not that much good in drawing.. so he blankly checks what others are drawing .. for an idea.. but all were hiding their drawing as they don't want any one to copy ..
Still confused he start looking at the painting in the art room examining each ... suddenly a picture of a house catches his eyes and .. he remembers his dream last night... he thinks why the hell was siren went off and the place caught the fire..
He immediately plans of drawing a simple box house with box rooms... starts to colour it .. shade the ground with green, house with yellow and brown and sky with blue ... he also draws red car before the front door ... At the top he writes my dream house...

dreams and reality

The truth as we perceive in reality might not exist in dreams but it is also true that dreams are real imagination which might be true in the other dimension. People desist it and think it as a disability that person carries which takes him away from truth, but i feel that dreams are just a stage of imagination some may have meaning, some may be totally crap and some may be even scary. When we are dreaming in reality its the reality that you really forget and give potential to your imagination that works in your brain. We still try our best to comprehend all unnatural occurences during the dream period and try to judge it through the natural contraints and laws to which we are so accustomed.

I remember the quote from Swashank Redemption "First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them." I think I would like to apply the same quote to humanity who is adapted to reality even though he hates all the rules and regulation which on imposed on them by nature, society,people etc and now they are hopelessly depend on them and fear to break free through the rules to a world where everything is possible. I think a new born baby is very sensitive to all his sense and does not like any of it as till then he was in dream world in his mothers womb where everything was truth. Now as he enter this real world all the restiction as kept on him to think only about the real things and suddenly all the dream world becomes nothing but a memory that can not be explained.

Last day when I was reading articles on dream, the literature was mentioning on probable cause of dream as the electric signals in our magnificent mind which is trying to optimises and handle all the back end memory management. Also the observation that author made was the reason we almost always during our dreams co relate all the sound that are sensed. The brain tries make sense of any sensual signal or electric signal which is primarily causing the dreams. Though this is still just a theory and there is no concrete evidence but this is as close to facts as it can.

Well whatever may be the cause of the dreams are they truely remarkable. They invoke so much of imaginationation and creativeness of all possibility combining true with fiction in continues fashion. Oo.. some time you become do desperate to chage the world and are trying your best and alas you are even able to move your own legs !!! sometimes you feel like you are running as fast as bird and suddenly fall in deep tranch with no ending... and you wakeup to see the sweet running through the body and horror of your face. Not all dreams as horrifing as these infact some are very good to believe to be true. Like in one my dream I became a super hero to save all friends and community when we were taken hostage by terrorist. But the fact is that most of the time dreams revolve around self and most probabily involving the recent events or problem with which we are strugling in reality is an undeniable fact.

Who am I ?

A ghost who goes as free air
lives its moments of joy and sadness
till the death takes into stand stillness of silence;
is my aim of life to spend the time away?

who am i?

An animal born
with survival as the purpose of existence
Spreading the genes to future generations;
is the Survival of specie the aim of my life?

who am i?

A thief to steal
who cherishes pleasure through hording of money or power
to exploit the sensual pleasure through all organs;
Is getting pleasure the soul purpose of my existence ?

who am i?

a thirsty student
to gain knowledge what thousands were not able to
and see what others cant;
is purpose of mine to prove superiority among fellow beings?

who am I?

A saint to spread good
like a spark of light in the darkness of thoughts
to become the hope of hopeless ;
is helping others aim of life?

who am i?

A Brahman who cares
for neither money nor power.
For whom nothing is more dearer than the other.
Who is neither living nor dead and is beyond all worries with youthful happiness.
Am I this very existence...

NOTE: Brahman in the above poem does not signify a religion/caste/sect, it represent a perfect being.

Is Time Real...???

Once i was jus casually on a whim asked one my friend .. is the time real ? .. ooooo suddenly i started thinking deeply with in self and the idea hounted me .. so i thought fr almost an hr ... I started questionin ... the basis on which time was assumed to be real ... as an entity .. an existent one . All the partical physical theories are based on time .. assuming that it is a real entity ... then if time it self can be proved to non real ... a hypothitical one ...... then . all u see is a wonder .. . so here starts my theory ,...... Also note that here my implecet assumption is space is real.. and memory is real and is something that will be available in the space .... Well time by definition is measeared on the change the space from the current state to a new state .... ( Even the IST is measered on the the speed of some ceasum atom... which again is a change ... ). So the basic funda is that with memory of the past we correlate the present events if change is found then we define time period as an entity that takes fr space to change ..

Suppose the state of current space S1 than time is something by definetion the space goes into another state S2. and the change is defined as perticular time period .. """ The correct frequency for the particular cesium resonance is now defined by international agreement as 9,192,631,770 Hz so that when divided by this number the output is exactly 1 Hz, or 1 cycle per second. """

so in other words cesium clock has to moves 9,192,631,770 times for a sec to happen

The number is so deceptive so let variable f have value 9,192,631,770 per se or some other on which international accepted as one sec. and cesius .. is only a standard is can be any other space of change .. so i will use space instead of cesium say s

Now at last what it comes is measurment of sec basead on perception of change of f number of time in space s .

So for a person whos perception is high for example of the some other being from another planet . Has a more memory of the same object than the person with less perception.

let a person p1 has memory instance of M1 times another person p2 high perception person will have memory M2 times were M1 S2 ... the memory of the persons go from M1'->M1'' where M1'' - M1'=M1 and the memory of other person goes from M2'-> M2'' where M2''->M2'

if there k( tending to infinite) instance of change in the space then P1 only percevives M1 events where as for the same change in the space p2 percevive M2 events of change

Which again means that for the same change of space each person will have different amonts of memory depending on there perception ability.

From this we can further conclude that time if defined on the change of space is not constant for the perception machines .. for some it is fast for some the same is very slow .. Since time is not constant and is only a notional measure of change in space depending the measuring instrument ,. so time is not real. ...

What is real is present that always exists ... past has never happened and future will never come ... still the change in the space is our perception ..... of the mistirical things happening ... also there is a possibility of things happening differently .. it only that we all have almost equal levels of perception we have same world and things happen as they are ....

Uncertainity in life .......

Seeing the vastness of this river and coldness of the water which i can still feel ... i forget the uncertainities of life.....!!!!!

Life of quotes ..

In this ..post i want to add a few gud lines .. sayings n poetry ..

The below peotry of kalidas is actually picked up by me from ,,, my fav blog
http://lifeasitgoes.rediffblogs.com/ It is also nw one of my admired poem ...

"Listen to the Exhortation of the Dawn! Look to this Day!

For it is Life, the very Life of Life.

In its brief course lie all the Verities and Realities of your Existence.

The Bliss of Growth, The Glory of Action, The Splendor of Beauty;

For Yesterday is but a Dream, And To-morrow is only a Vision;

But To-day well lived makes

every Yesterday a Dream of Happiness,

And every Tomorrow a Vision of Hope.

Look well therefore to this Day!

Such is the Salutation of the Dawn!"

-- Kalidas

***Also there were many quote which always influence me ... some of them are

“When you are inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary project, all your thoughts break their bonds: Your mind transcends limitations, your consciousness expands in every direction, and you find yourself in a new, great, and wonderful world. Dormant forces, faculties and talents become alive, and your discover yourself to be a greater person by far than you ever dreamed yourself to be.”
-- Patanjali

"A baby born with a billion dollars--where is the personal merit in that? A baby born with nothing--where isthe personal demerit in that? The one is fawned upon, admired,worshiped, by sycophants, the other is neglected and despised--where is the sense in it?"
--What Is Man? Mark Twain

"When intelligence matures and lodges securely in the heart, it becomes wisdom. When that wisdom is integrated with life and issues out in action, it becomes devotion. Knowledge which has become mature is spoken of as devotion.
If it does not get transformed into devotion, such knowledge is useless and tinsel."
-Rajagopalachari

Testing Quotes by the Boris Beizer

"I think deep down most of us dont believe in software-at least not the way we believe in hardware. If software is insubstantial, then how much more insubstantial is software testing? There isn't even debugged code to pont to when we're through with test case design. The effort put into test design and testing seems wasted, especially if the tests don't reveal any bugs.
There is another, deeper problem with testing and test design that's related to the reason we have to do it in the first place. It's done to catch bugs. There is a myth that if we were good at our jobs, there would be no bugs to catch. If only we could really concentrate, there would be no bugs to catch. If only everyone used structured coding techniques, or top-down design or decision tables, or if all the programs had to be written in DOITALL or SQUISH, or if all programs were specified interms of inverse-recursive-produlation, then there would be no bugs. So goes the myth. There are bugs, the myth insists, because we are bad at what we do; and if are bad at what we do, we shld feel guilty abt it. therefore, testing is the admission of the guilt"

--To be added..

Blindness is the way of life ......!!!!

Today when i walk past the street i see thousands of people on the streets. Eating, sleeping and spending day to day life on these streets. My first instant reaction is to turn back and laugh with my friends about other issues making big statements of changing world. But again these incedents catches the eye and i cannot stop thinking of the tidiness they live and curse them. After walking another mile, i start thinking of the ill fate they are in which has brought them here into the city with no place to live in. And I started have a type of distrubance in the mind. All the joy weened out and i became more thoughtful. They are only the byproduct of modernisation that we are experiencing. But we live as if everything is fine and we are such self-engulfed that these scenes are nothing for us but daily occurences. We curse these people and fear from them as if they are devils came from some other planet. O, am i not the criminal? Have i tried atleast once to help them? No, then why curse them!!!
Today when i hear that India is growing at 8% growth rate with boyount economic prospects, my heart was filled with happiness. But is this development creating a growth or is it bring a more divide between rich and poor and increasing the number of "ambanis" and more ones i have seen on the road is the question we need to think again. Then i have read i newspaper that 35% of our people earn less than $ in income per day. Then where is economic and social prosperity going. People here are starving for one ounce of bread and we ask for more and more comforts. We demand for more leuxiourious life and why? because we have some knowledge or because we are able to do some technical stuff.
When have we forgotten that, we are a mere instance of humanity and lucky enough to live the life, we are currently experiencing. Our selfishness touches its peek with end less greed to become more wealthier and cosmopolitain. With this attitude we start differenciating self from others. Well today when i close my eyes i see numerous instances of me cursing all the people who room in shabby clothes even with out thinking of once their situation. Apperence itself makes a negative impact and we start cursing. There are more than 1 million childern on the street begging and a normal man in his life will see more than 10 million such incidents of child labour and human abuse, but who cares for i live for the better of self. I live to make one more building in which i can live comfortabily.The thought to help never occurs to this selfish mind.
I have seen an incedent of a child beaten black and blue in mumbai where around thousands of people were going not even 1 person including me had the courage to stop him. Why? Because i fear the aftermath of the incedent. I came to mumbai to enjoy with friends, if i stop that guy i will sure have a fight started over and i dont know any one who will help me. So, the safer way for me is to ignore the very incedent that is happening right before my eye. As i am too selfish and fearful. I observed the people avoiding to even see the incedent as that will ruin their mood for the day. I dont blame the poor people who's main aim in life is to have pleasure and to see self prosperity. It is a human nature but is there no one to even him to stop this chap from manhandling in public. Is it that for such incedent too the police or child help group has to come and stand for the childern or should he be left to that brutality so that one day in frustration he will take a wrong route and we may curse him?
May the lord give courage to all those in need of it more than me. Let their grevences be heard by the god, for i am very lucky to have much lesser pain and lead a better life. O, god help all in need and atlast me. Let all be happy in what ever state they are. Let love touch each one of them.

I wander in this world as .. a new born

With all this marvalous things in life , i still wonder what i am suppose to do . I wonder on the this really amazing world. Sometimes, I feel that everything around me so much aranged that, I cannot stop appreciating its beauty . Sometimes I feel like to conquer entire universe and the very next movement I feel helpless as a child. I wonder if it happens to all in this world but who knows .

Rafting Action

RaftingGroup

Me Njoyin in Simla Trip

Me njoyin

Hi .."So it begins...."

I started this blog with view to exchange the views with my frenz ..but now i think orkut will serve
that purpose and nobody is interested in this blog as none has contacted me or encouraged me .. so .. from now on i make this blog " my own ...my precious :) " .. i still encourage all who want to participate ..
Everyone are welcome
These were the comments of my earlier version......

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