Vishnav jan to

1. vaishnav jan to tene kahiye, je peed paraaee jaNe re ... [He is the true Vaishnava who knows and feels another's woes as his own]
par dukkhe upkar kare toye, man abhiman na aaNe re ... [Ever ready to serve others who are unhappy, he never lets vanity get to his head]

2. sakaL lok maan sahune vande, nindaa ne kare keni re ... [Bowing to everyone humbly and criticising none]
vaach-kaacch-man nischaL raakhe, dhan-dhan janani teni re .. [He keeps his speech, deeds and thoughts pure; blessed is the mother who begets such a one]

3. sam-drushti ne trishNaa tyaagi, parastree jene maat re ... [He looks upon all with an equal eye. Having rid himself of lust, he treats and reveres every woman as his mother]
jihvaa thake, asatya na bole, par-dhan nava jhaale haath re ... [His tongue would fail him if he attempted to utter an untruth. He does not covet another's wealth]

4. moh-maayaa vyaape nahin jene, draDh vairagya jena manmaa re ... [The bonds of earthly attachment hold him not. His mind is deeply rooted in renunciation]
raam-naam shu taaLE laagi, sakaL teerath tena tanmaa re ... [Every moment he is intent on reciting the name of the Lord Rama. All the holy places are ever present in his body]

5. vaNa lobhi ne kapat rahit chhe, kaam krodh nivaarya re ... [He has conquered greed, deceit, passion (lust) and anger]
bhaNe Narsaiyyon teno darshan kartaun, kuL ekoter tarya re ... [The sight of such a Vaishnava, says Narsinh, saves a family through seventy-one generations]

-- source wiki

Sense of belonging

You are there are in all the things why then is this ignorance and arrogance of you belonging to only a few people or sect. I wonder at the foolishness of ignorant assertion of people to show that you only belong to them. Alas !! even with thousands scriptures telling otherwise yet people fight to make you their own property. May be because every one feels close to you, so close that they think that you are with them only. O how foolish was mother yashoda who wanted to bind you. O how foolish is the thought of gopis to keep you with them only.True if mother yashoda is not able overcome your maya, how can we, thus we fight for you to make you our own property. And we get offended when some one cliams that you belong to them.

God give us courage and strength to seek your true form by banishing all the false pride and ego. God give us enough patience and perception ability to enjoy and unserstand your marvelous creation.

Prayer - Om

Omkaaram Bindusamyuktam Nityam Dhyaayanti Yoginah.
Kaamadam Mokshadam Chaiva Omkaaraaya Namo Namah.

The sacred letter 'Om' is associated with the sacred dot - the Bindu. This 'Om' is the bestower of all wishes and is indeed capable of leading one to freedom from worldly bondage and is meditated upon by yogis. To this letter 'Om' we offer our salutations.

Om Asato Maa Sadgamaya Tamaso Maa Jyotir Gamaya
Mrityor Maa Amrtam Gamaya. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih.

O Lord please lead me from the unreal to the real.
Lead me from darkness to light (i.e. from ignorance to knowledge).
Lead me from death to immortality.
May there be peace, peace and perfect peace

Om Saha Naavavatu Saha Nau Bhunaktu Saha Veeryam Karaavahai.
Tejasvi Naavadheetamastu Maa Vidvishaavahai.
Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih.

May the Lord protect us together.May he nourish us together. May we work together uniting our strength for the good of humanity.
May our learning be luminous and purposeful. May we never hate one another.
May there be peace, peace and perfect peace.

Om Poornamadah Poornamidam Poornaat Poornamudachyate.
Poornasya Poornamaadaaya Poornamevaavashishyate.

That is prefect - this is prefect. What comes from such perfection truly is prefect.
What remains after perfection from perfection is yet perfect.
May there be peace, peace and perfect peace.

Who is a bramhin ?

No one is a Brahmin by birth.

At birth all are one and the same. The day 'upanayana' is conducted then he is known as 'dwijan'(twice born). By repeated chanting of the Gayathri when one earns 'tejas'(brilliance) he is known as 'Vipran'. He is known as 'Shastri' with the deep practice of the shastras. After learning the Vedas if he conducts yagna he is then known as 'Srowthi'. After being initiated into a 'Mantra' if he does japa (repeated chanting) of the 'mantra' and the darshan of the god or the goddess of the particular 'Mantra' is had, he is then known as 'Rishi'. He is known as 'Muni' if he controls his mind and does enquiry of the Self. If one attains oneness with the highest and sees only Hari everywhere and in everything he is then known as a 'Brahmin'.

Illairaja Song Jaabilli Kosam

jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
ninu kaana lEka manasoorukOka paaDaanu nEnu paaTanE

nuvvakkaDa nEnikkaDa paaTikkaDa palukakkaDa manasOkkaTi kalisunnadi yEnaaDaina
nuvvakkaDa nEnikkaDa paaTikkaDa palukakkaDa manasOkkaTi kalisunnadi yEnaaDaina
ee puvvulanE nee navvulugaa ee chukkalanE neekannulugaa
nunu niggula ee mOggalu nee buggalugaa
oohallO tElee vurootalugee mEghaalatOTi raagaala lEka
neekampinaanu raavaa dEvi

jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
ninu kaana lEka manasoorukOka paaDaanu nEnu paaTanE

nee pErOka japamainadi nee prEmOka tapamainadi nee dhyanamE varamainadi yEnnallainaa
nee pErOka japamainadi nee prEmOka tapamainadi nee dhyanamE varamainadi yEnnallainaa
unDee lEkaa vunnadi neevE
vunnaa kooDaa lEnidi nEnE
naa rEpaTi adiyaasala roopam neevE
dooraana vunnaa naa tOdu neevE
nee dhaggarunna nee neeDa naadE
naadannadanta neevE neevE

jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
jaabilli kOsam aakaashamallE vEchaanu nee raakakai
ninu kaana lEka manasoorukOka paaDaanu nEnu paaTanE

Madhuram is everything about god

Every thing about god and his creation is -

beautiful to see, sweet to taste, melodious to listen,
aromatic to smell and blissful in touch

All these qualities are expressed in a single word "Madhuram"

॥ मधुराष्टकम् ॥ .. madhurāṣṭakam .. Eight Stanzas on Sweetness
वल्लभ आचार्य vallabha ācārya Vallabha Acharya

अधरं मधुरं adharaṁ madhuraṁ (His) lips are sweet
वदनं मधुरं vadanaṁ madhuraṁ (His) face is sweet
नयनं मधुरं nayanaṁ madhuraṁ (His) eyes are sweet
हसितं मधुरम् ‌। hasitaṁ madhuram . (His) smile is sweet
हृदयं मधुरं hṛdayaṁ madhuraṁ (His) heart is sweet
गमनं मधुरं gamanaṁ madhuraṁ (His) gait (walk) is sweet
मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ‌॥ १ ॥ madhurādhipaterakhilaṁ madhuram .. 1 .. Everything is sweet about the Lord of Sweetness

वचनं मधुरं vacanaṁ madhuraṁ (His) words are sweet
चरितं मधुरं caritaṁ madhuraṁ (His) character and deeds are sweet
वसनं मधुरं vasanaṁ madhuraṁ (His) dress (garment) is sweet
वलितं मधुरम्‌ । valitaṁ madhuram . (His) posture is sweet
चलितं मधुरं calitaṁ madhuraṁ (His) movements are sweet
भ्रमितं मधुरं bhramitaṁ madhuraṁ (His) wandering is sweet
मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम्‌ ॥ २ ॥ madhurādhipaterakhilaṁ madhuram .. 2 .. Everything is sweet about the Lord of Sweetness

वेणुर्मधुरो veṇurmadhuro (His) flute-playing is sweet
रेणुर्मधुरः reṇurmadhuraḥ (His) foot-dust is sweet
पाणिर्मधुरः pāṇirmadhuraḥ (His) hands are sweet
पादौ मधुरौ । pādau madhurau . (His) feet are sweet
नृत्यं मधुरं nṛtyaṁ madhuraṁ (His) dancing is sweet
सख्यं मधुरं sakhyaṁ madhuraṁ (His) friendship (company) is sweet
मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम्‌ ॥ ३ ॥ madhurādhipaterakhilaṁ madhuram .. 3 .. Everything is sweet about the Lord of Sweetness

गीतं मधुरं gītaṁ madhuraṁ (His) song is sweet
पीतं मधुरं pītaṁ madhuraṁ (His) drinking is sweet
भुक्तं मधुरं bhuktaṁ madhuraṁ (His) eating is sweet
सुप्तं मधुरम्‌ । suptaṁ madhuram . (His) sleeping is sweet
रूपं मधुरं rūpaṁ madhuraṁ (His) beautiful form is sweet
तिलकं मधुरं tilakaṁ madhuraṁ (His) Tilaka (Sandalwood paste mark on the forehead) is sweet
मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ‌॥ ४ ॥ madhurādhipaterakhilaṁ madhuram .. 4 .. Everything is sweet about the Lord of Sweetness

करणं मधुरं karaṇaṁ madhuraṁ (His) deeds are sweet
तरणं मधुरं taraṇaṁ madhuraṁ (His) conquest (liberating) is sweet
हरणं मधुरं haraṇaṁ madhuraṁ (His) stealing is sweet
रमणं मधुरम् ‌। ramaṇaṁ madhuram . (His) love-sports are sweet
वमितं मधुरं vamitaṁ madhuraṁ (His) oblations (offerings) are sweet
शमितं मधुरं śamitaṁ madhuraṁ (His) countenance is sweet
मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम्‌ ॥ ५ ॥ madhurādhipaterakhilaṁ madhuram .. 5 .. Everything is sweet about the Lord of Sweetness

गुञ्जा मधुरा guñjā madhurā (His) gunja-berry necklace is sweet
माला मधुरा mālā madhurā (His) flower garland is sweet
यमुना मधुरा yamunā madhurā Yamuna river is sweet
वीची मधुरा । vīcī madhurā . and sweet are Yamuna’s rippling waves
सलिलं मधुरं salilaṁ madhuraṁ Her water is sweet
कमलं मधुरं kamalaṁ madhuraṁ and sweet are the lotus flowers also
मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ‌॥ ६ ॥ madhurādhipaterakhilaṁ madhuram .. 6 .. Everything is sweet about the Lord of Sweetness

गोपी मधुरा gopī madhurā (His) gopis (cowherd girl of Gopa) are sweet
लीला मधुरा līlā madhurā (His) frolickings are sweet
युक्तं मधुरं yuktaṁ madhuraṁ (His) union (meeting) is sweet
मुक्तं मधुरम् ‌। muktaṁ madhuram . (His) deliverance is sweet
दृष्टं मधुरं dṛṣṭaṁ madhuraṁ (His) sidelong glances are sweet
शिष्टं मधुरं śiṣṭaṁ madhuraṁ (His) etiquette is sweet
मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम् ‌॥ ७ ॥ madhurādhipaterakhilaṁ madhuram .. 7 .. Everything is sweet about the Lord of Sweetness

गोपा मधुरा gopā madhurā (His) gopas (cowherd friends) are sweet
गावो मधुरा gāvo madhurā (His) cows are sweet
यष्टिर्मधुरा yaṣṭirmadhurā (His) cane (herding-stick) is sweet
सृष्टिरधुरा । sṛṣṭiradhurā . (His) creation is sweet
दलितं मधुरं dalitaṁ madhuraṁ (His) victory is sweet
फलितं मधुरं phalitaṁ madhuraṁ (His) accomplishment (fruition) is sweet
मधुराधिपतेरखिलं मधुरम्‌ ॥ ८ ॥ madhurādhipaterakhilaṁ madhuram .. 8 .. Everything is sweet about the Lord of Sweetness

krishastakam

SRI KRISHNASHTAKAM by Adi Shankara

vasudevasutam dEvam kamsaChaNooraMardhanam (1)
DEvakeeParamAnandam Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

ataseePushpaSankAsham hAranoopuraShobhitam (2)
ratnakankaNakeyooram Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

kutilAlakaSamyuktam PoorNaChandranibhAsanam (3)
vilasatkundaladharam Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

mandAragandhasamyuktam chAruhAsam chaturbhujam (4)
barhiPinchAvachoodangam Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

utphalaPadmaPatrAksham neelajeemootasannibham (5)
yAdavAnam shiroratnam Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

rukmiNi Kelisamyuktam PeetAmbara Sushobhitam (6)
avApta Tulasigandham krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

gopikAnAm KuchadwandwakukumAnkitavakshasam (7)
shriniketam MahEshwasam Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

shrivatsAnkam Mahoraskam VanamAlAvirAjitam (8)
shankachakradharam Devam Krishnam Vande Jagadgurum

Eight Cantos on Krishna

I sing praise of Krishna, the Preceptor of the universe, Who is the son of Vasudev, Who is the Lord, Who slayed Kans and Chanur, and Who is the bliss of Devaki.||1||

I sing praise of Krishna, the Preceptor of the universe, Who is surrounded by flowers, Who is adorned with a garland and anklets, and Who has gem-studded necklace and arm-bracelet.||2||

I sing praise of Krishna, the Preceptor of the universe, Who is adorned with curly tresses, Who has a face resplendent like full-moon, and Who has shining earrings.||3||

I sing praise of Krishna, the Preceptor of the universe, Who is with the perfume of Mandara (a coral tree flower), Who has beautiful smile, Who has four hands (as Vishnu), and Who has peacock feather at the forehead.||4||

I sing praise of Krishna, the Preceptor of the universe, Who has eyes like blooming lotus flower, Who resembles a new blue cloud, and Who is the best in the dynasty of Yadu.||5||

I sing praise of Krishna, the Preceptor of the universe, Who plays with Rukmini (Lakshmi), Who is adorned with yellow-robes, and Who has attained the perfume of Tulsi.||6||

I sing praise of Krishna, the Preceptor of the universe, Who has the marks of saffron from the dual-breasts of the cowgirls, Who is the abode of Lakshmi (Sri), and Who has mighty arrows.||7||

I sing praise of Krishna, the Preceptor of the universe, Who has the sign of ‘‘Srivatsa’’ at His broad-chest, Who has a flower-garland, and Who holds the conch-shell and discus (shankha and chakra).||8||

Having awaken in the morning, those who study these blissful Cantos on Krishna, destroy their sins of millions of birth.||9||

Poet: Adi Sankara

Oy Movie Beautiful Lyrics (nannu vadhili)

nannu vadhili needa vellipothundha
kannodhili chupu vellipothonadha
vekuvane sandhe vali pothundhe
chikatilo udhayam undi poyindhe

naa yedhane tholichina guruthuga ninnu thesthunna
nee jatha lo gadipina brathukika bali avuthunna

nuvvunte neenunta
nenu una prema….
povadhe… povadhe….. prema
nannu vadhili needa vellipothundha
kannodhili chupu vellipothonadha

inni nallu nee vente
saguthunna naa padham
venta padina adugedhi antundheee
…ooooooo
ninna dhaka nee roopam
nimpukunna kanupape
nuvvu lekha nanu niladhisthundhe

korukunna jeevithame
cheruvaina ee kshname
jaali leni vidhirathe
saapamainadhee
maru janma undhante brahmanaina agidheokate
kanamanta mammu thana aatalika saagani chote ……
nuvvunte neenunta…. prema…. povadhe… povadhe….. prema…. nuvvunte neenunta…. prema…. povadhe… povadhe….. prema….

Calling in for good sense

Sarve Jana Sukhinobhavantu. loka samastha sukhino bhavantu. Santhi Santhi Santhi hii.
Let all the people be happy. Let the entire world be happy. Let there be Peace . Peace. Peace. (converted from Sanskrit poem that we pray)

If this what a hindu prays before their gods day-in and day-out then the question of violence in hinduism does not araise. Again to be on correct stand there is no hindu in this country/ every one by default irrespective of his faith is a hindu. The eairlier like poems is what were being passed from ages (more than 6000 year ago!! ) down till now.

What we have is a culture that is coming from ages which can be modified for better tomorrow and there no restriction on it. All the hindu culture says is this may be good for you whether you follow or not is a decision left to thyself(remember Matrix movie).

Western life and materialist plasures have lot of influence on us and have changed/changing us.
what BJP/RSS is trying to do conserve this precious culture from degradation so that one day after centuries down the line (may be 1000 years or so !!) culture should not seem as alien to us as the Azetec/mayan culture (original Americans) to Americans. (Well the todays decent americans ancesters have totally anhilated aborigins that were present there. !!)

Congress on its part has no plans/idea to conserve such culture. They are not bothered about the hindu culture which is present from ages but are here to protect(prosper) the minorities.
Protecting minorities is good but apeasing them by discremenating them from majority is where the partisian politics arise. Also what is bad is dividing people based on religion/caste/region and giving political favours one group over other which will ultimately lead to break is populace.
Politics has nothing to do with faith/physical appearence.

There should uniform civil code across all sections of society. All the religions should be equally treated.

vaha koun hai tera - Guide Song translation

Hindi (Original)

vahaa.n kaun hai teraa, musaafir, jaayegaa kahaa.n
dam lele gha.Dii bhar ye chhaiyaa.n paayegaa kahaa.n

biit gaye din, pyaar ke palachhin
sapanaa banii vo raate.n
bhuul gaye vo, tuu bhii bhulaade
pyaar kii vo mulaaqaate.n
sab duur andheraa, musaafir, jaayegaa kahaa.n

koii bhii terii, raaha na dekhe
nain bichhaaye naa koii
dard se tere, koii na ta.Dapaa
aanNkh kisii kii naa royii
kahe kisako tuu meraa, musaafir, jaayegaa kahaa.n

kahate hai.n GYaanii, duniyaa hai faanii
paanii pe likhii likhaayii
hai sabakii dekhii, hai sabakii jaanii
haath kisiike na aayii
kuchh teraa naa meraa, musaafir, jaayegaa kahaa.n

---------------------

English (Translated)

Who is yours (there), traveller, where will you go
Breath the moment, where will you obtain this shade

Passed are days, having moments of love
Those nights became like dreams
forgotten are you , even you forget
Those meetings of love
Everything is distant and dark, traveller, where will you go

No one waits for your coming
No one will implore eyes
With your pain, no one is tormentend
and No ones eyes are cring
Who will you tell you are mine, traveller, where will you go

Says the wise ones , the world is mortal
like a script written on water
everyone has seen, it has been known by everyone
into no ones hand it has come
Nothing is yours or mine, traveller, where will you go

Software Engineering Philosophy on Efficiency

Excrept from Expect FAQ.(http://expect.nist.gov/FAQ.html)

Are there any hidden dangers in using Expect?

From: Charlton Henry Harrison 
To: libes@NIST.GOV
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 23:30:56 -0600

>>>Dear Don:
>>>
>>> I've been a fan of Expect ever since I first learned of UNIX back
>>>in late '93. I'm young and don't have my CS degree just yet, but I worked
>>>a while back at Texas Instruments in their Telecom Customer Support dept.
>>>I started in late '93 (and hence, that's where I first started exploring
>>>the UNIX environment) and immediately forsaw the need of automating a lot
>>>of my redundant and mindless duties, but I didn't know how since we were
>>>working over a heterogeneous LAN with multiple OSs.
>>> Then I found out about Expect. I automated everything! My boss didn't
>>>like hearing that I was working on something else in order to get out of
>>>work, and I got tired of explaining it to him.
>>> Although I accomplished all the aspects of my duties, I was infamous
>>>for being the laziest person at work, and it showed (I made my job SO easy).
>>>I got a new boss after a while, and he hated me from the start and fired
>>>me soon after. Oh well, I guess my mentality didn't click with theirs.
>>> There are a lot of people like that: they believe life is putting
>>>in a hard day's work to get by. I hate that.
>>> So the point is, thank you for the wonderful 'Expect'. I bought
>>>your book and now I have the most recent version of it on my Linux system
>>>at home. Needless to say I'm looking for another job, though.
>>>
>>>       Charlton
>>>
>> Thanks very much for your nice letter.  Sorry to hear about your
>> automating yourself out of a job.  Actually, I think most computer
>> scientists have to face this dilemma.  In some ways, it's a
>> self-defeating occupation.
>>
>> Don
>
>Yeah, I'd be interested in hearing if you have a personal philosophy on
>how to handle this kind of thing. I plan on pursuing a career in Artificial
>Intelligence for similar reason of making life easier for everyone (me
>in particular!)  What the future holds in this category is a great
>mystery.

I'm glad you asked. My personal philosophy on this kind of thing is: Find someone really rich and marry them.

Don

All about Reservation

Following are some of the mails in the to and against regional(Gujju) reservation in da-iict. I liked both the arguments :). They have made many valid points and have tired really to reason out from both the side.
This is a true democracy and I love and respect each opinion down here. Hope the people in politics have so healthy conversation one day instead of barking against each other like dogs.

Well coming back to the point of reservation. In my opinion reservation in any form is meant to support a community to bring it to the level of others.
Ideally speaking from individual reservation base point.
Caste based reservation helps in at last some people from downtrodden caste to forcefully mix with upper caste people. This will help in diminishing the caste feelings.Region based reservation will help or support in bring people of particular region to come on par with other people.And if you consider in financial side there are subsidise given to people so that government can support the business that they are doing.

So speaking of support is for a time period it cannot continue for every which gives unnatural advantage to one person over other. When we introduce reservation or subsidies or any such measures it is only to mend the stream of our growth in proper direction against a natural flow. But it is important to understand that we can only change the direction or control it for time period as it caused lot of unrest among masses.

The correct way to go about is a NATURAL way where every human has equal opportunity and there is healthy competition among them for the benefit of humanity at large.

Now coming to the exact discussion here, well the first author says that reservation is for spreading awareness among masses but i think awareness must and can be spread through other means. This say with any other issue. Still this is reasonably best possible reason given to the madness of reservation for which i dont think guj govt has thought that much before passing the act. I am really impressed by your thoughts for great India and only counter your argument that it can only be done though reservation.

For second author I think he is more business minded. For a country like India the balanced growth is as much important as growth itself. For this the government tries a lot , I agree that reservation may be bad means to do the same but it is equally very important to grow in a balanced way. This goes a long way in keeping the national integration and unity and avoiding the friction among the people from more developed states with that of less developed states. One of the classic example are the recent riots in Maharashtra by MNS leader trying to throw away people from UP and Bihar who due to economic poverty have immigrated to industrialized places in Maharashtra. So even if we can invest all our money in making mumbai a hong kong like city or for that any other city we spend billions of ruppes on NE states from which government earn almost income or other taxes. You may say education is different than economy but in a sense no. They are almost same. Gujrat might be economically rich state but educationally poor state.

Hello All,

I am Maulik Soni, did my M Tech from DAIICT & I am from Gujarat.
If you read, kindly read till the end despite of long email.

I have been reading this conversation since it's initiated & after reading email from Prof. Chetan Parikh, I thought I would also like to write my opinion on this as well.

1st, I would like to explain situation of education in Gujarat. In Gujarat, education is not given highest priority as our state is mostly driven through small scale businesses. Ppl usually put their children to pursue minimal education & hand over business. Young ppl also get into business despite of whatever education they have. So many ppl even dont know abt differences in engg college(s) in Gujarat & an IIT. In my time also, 95% students were not aware of IITs & rest 5% didn't want to go to the IITs. Thus, in Gujarat there is a definite lack of awareness & students have less exposure to elite institutions & quality of education. I'll say students are definitely brilliant, but exposure is too less. Native Gujarati Students dont event think of appearing for JEE / AIEEE / PMT etc.

Now, as per my understanding and as the initial definition of quota, quota came into existence to provide equal opportunity & exposure to underprivileged or unexposed students. The root cause behind quota was to allow a generation of students an exposure that they might not have thought of if not pushed deliberately to it. If one generation is given exposure, definitely next generation (at least) will be able to think about better quality education.

Suppose you are a CEO of an organization. Everybody in your org. is not capable of doing all things. So what you do ?? You combine ppl with less & more ability to do same task, so that the less ability person will have exposure to do such a task independently next time. A trainee / new joinee is always put under mentoring to get more exposure. Same is with govt. For govt. all students are same, some are capable, some are not. So they are doing same - put these together so that all get equal exposure & opportunity - by means of Quota. This should essentially bridge the gap between the Rich(education wise) & the Poor(education wise).

The major difference between the Org. & Govt. is that in org. there is a time limit within which, the unexposed must get exposure & show results. While, in quota there is no time limit. Here I put strong objection. Quota must have limit of time, say quota for 5 to 10 years only. After that it must be removed. If this is not the case, it will become a nuisance and certainly not solve its original purpose.

So, I believe, Quota is not bad, but quota without time limit is extremely bad.

So, ideally what should be done now - as quota is implemented - to preserve quality, culture of institution, quality of students keeping in mind that original goodwill behind quota is also fulfilled.

In my view, if students of institute ignore/neglect the quota based students, it spoils institute culture & quality more than gaining anything. If we, students want to see India grow & all students of India get opportunity, then we should try to support such students in polishing skills & get them up to the mark so that next time they don't require quota to join the institute. If we see only smaller picture of quality of institution, it seems quota degrades it, but if we see bigger picture of India as a country, then it seems quota may improve overall education amongst larger mass of people. We, Gujaratis should make ppl more aware about such competitive exams & elite institutions, education quality etc. Similarly, you, who are studying should try to support others as well.

Now, who is victim of all these ??? What price to pay for all these ??
Victims are those who have got higher rank in AIEEE, who are not from Gujarat & who could also not get into DAIICT. If in one's family out of two children, one is sharp in studies & gets to IIT & other is weak in studies & doesnt get into IIT, parents definitely think of other way to settle him in life through other means. Not getting into IIT is not end of career/life.

So, all in all, in my opinion, quota is good but time limit has to be there. We should try best to increase awareness about quality education, competitive exams (JEE, AIEEE, PMT, GATE, CAT etc), support students to hone skills & not deteriorating culture & quality of DAIICT.
We should also hope & try that quota will have a reassessment by monitoring the effect of it and be subsequently REMOVED if certain parameters like, X % number of students of Gujarat have started appearing for AIEEE or have got admission into elite (say top 25) institutions etc. Our more efforts towards this will effectively enable India & unexposed students, both to grow at same time.

Regards,
-> Maulik Soni.

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Sir

I have few doubts:

You wrote:
Suppose you are a CEO of an organization. Everybody in your org. is not capable of doing all things. So what you do ?? You combine ppl with less & more ability to do same task, so that the less ability person will have exposure to do such a task independently next time. A trainee / new joinee is always put under mentoring to get more exposure. Same is with govt. For govt. all students are same, some are capable, some are not. So they are doing same - put these together so that all get equal exposure & opportunity - by means of Quota. This should essentially bridge the gap between the Rich(education wise) & the Poor(education wise).

Doubt 1. : If there is a CEO, i guess he should think how he could manage all guys accordingly. For example a person X is expert in A task but poor in B task and the other guy Y is expert in B task but poor in A task. I suppose a CEO will always put the person X for A and the person Y for B task.
And then collectively he(CEO) can increase the output of the organization.
Also giving an exposure in new fields may increase their education level academically but also consider the decline in business activities where they already are outstanding.

You wrote:
Now, who is victim of all these ??? What price to pay for all these ??
Victims are those who have got higher rank in AIEEE, who are not from Gujarat & who could also not get into DAIICT. If in one's family out of two children, one is sharp in studies & gets to IIT & other is weak in studies & doesnt get into IIT, parents definitely think of other way to settle him in life through other means. Not getting into IIT is not end of career/life.

Doubt 2. : If somebody doesn't get into IIT, he/she will find other streams in career.
But if somebody is already in other stream and generating good outputs, still should he/she try for other options?? if Yes, what if he/she turned out to be a failure??
See the students from rajasthan, bihar etc, they study not because they want to go to IIT or somewhere else but because they don't have other options to follow.

You Wrote:
1st, I would like to explain situation of education in Gujarat. In Gujarat, education is not given highest priority as our state is mostly driven through small scale businesses. Ppl usually put their children to pursue minimal education & hand over business. Young ppl also get into business despite of whatever education they have. So many ppl even dont know abt differences in engg college(s) in Gujarat & an IIT. In my time also, 95% students were not aware of IITs & rest 5% didn't want to go to the IITs. Thus, in Gujarat there is a definite lack of awareness & students have less exposure to elite institutions & quality of education. I'll say students are definitely brilliant, but exposure is too less. Native Gujarati Students dont event think of appearing for JEE / AIEEE / PMT etc.

Doubt 3. : Say for example in upcoming years India starts making new advance technology missiles, "[option 1]should everybody still go for an exposure of missiles" or "[option 2]shall we put best guys for technology and also best guys to pump enough money, which they make from business."
I guess option 2nd is more practical.
I agree: students from gujarat are definitely brilliant, but in business.

You wrote:
Now, as per my understanding and as the initial definition of quota, quota came into existence to provide equal opportunity & exposure to underprivileged or unexposed students. The root cause behind quota was to allow a generation of students an exposure that they might not have thought of if not pushed deliberately to it. If one generation is given exposure, definitely next generation (at least) will be able to think about better quality education.

Doubt 4:. I guess here is a little misunderstanding, the root cause of quota was to empower the poor and backward classes not the students, so that the difference between poor and rich in financial terms can be reduced. The quota was never related or meant for exposure in education. In business also somebody like Dhirubhai Ambani can have world class exposure.

You wrote:
The major difference between the Org. & Govt. is that in org. there is a time limit within which, the unexposed must get exposure & show results. While, in quota there is no time limit. Here I put strong objection. Quota must have limit of time, say quota for 5 to 10 years only. After that it must be removed. If this is not the case, it will become a nuisance and certainly not solve its original purpose.

Doubt 5. : Say today there is a family having a kid of 5 years age. After 10 years the quota is removed, what will happen to his educational exposure as he is still in higher secondary.
Now somebody may say that by that time awareness will be spread all around and the kid can fight for quality education but what about the increment in awareness of students of other states as the awareness will increase in same ratio. And I guess at that time the competition would be too high to survive.

You wrote:
We should also hope & try that quota will have a reassessment by monitoring the effect of it and be subsequently REMOVED if certain parameters like, X % number of students of Gujarat have started appearing for AIEEE or have got admission into elite (say top 25) institutions etc. Our more efforts towards this will effectively enable India & unexposed students, both to grow at same time.

Doubt 6. : If we are so concerned about India and unexposed students, shouldn't we make some mechanism to give quota in business in gujarat, in mining in Jharkhand and Urisa, in film industry in Mumbai etc. to the people of other states. The answer should be NO because gujarati people are good in business, people from jharkhand are expert in mining and mumbai has a hell lot of talented person in film Industry.
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So the final solution should be: We should not go for quota at least in Education because it is an important issue that can turn upside down.

Yeah for some time we can go for quota in jobs excluding the creamy layer.

Also why can't we go for 50% women quota in education, as i can say they are far left behind all over India than gujarati students.

cheers
Anurag
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Bavra Mann Dekhne Chala

Bavra Mann Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna
Bavra Mann Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna

Bavre Se Mann, Ki Dekho Bavri Hain Baatein
Bavre Se Mann, Ki Dekho Bavri Hain Baatein
Bavri Se Dhadkaane Hain, Bavri Hain Saansen
Bavri Si Karwaton Se, Nindiya Door Bhaage
Bavre Se Nain Chaahe, Bavre Jharokhon Se, Bavre Nazaron Ko Takna.
Bavra Mann Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna

Bavre Se Is Jahan Main Bavra Ek Saath Ho
Is Sayani Bheed Main Bas Haathon Mein Tera Haath Ho
Bavri Si Dhun Ho Koi, Bavra Ek Raag Ho
Bavri Si Dhun Ho Koi, Bavra Ek Raag Ho
Bavre Se Pair Chahen, Baavron Tarano Ke, Bavre Se Bol Pe Thirakna.
Bavra Mann, Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna

Bavra Sa Ho Andhera, Bavri Khamoshiyan
Bavra Sa Ho Andhera, Bavri Khamoshiyan
Thartharati Low Ho Maddham, Bavri Madhoshiyan
Bavra Ek Ghooghta Chahe, Haule Haule Bin Bataye, Bavre Se Mukhde Se Sarakana,
Bavra Mann, Dekhne Chala Ek Sapna

Mother am i not your child

Mother am i not your child

I know you love thou children and protect them
See them as delicate and new borns into this world
you hide them from harsh realities taking pain on you
I know you want to feed them with honey and necter


i love thy child as my brother
And play with him in a youthful happiness
I can feel spring of love that you usher on him
from the depth of your heart

Where is that love when thou look at me
why has spring dried into a desert
why not treat me as your own
Don't you see the child in me

not am i innocent as my bro
don't I have that pretty face
or am i that shabby that you desist me
Mother am i not like your own child

burden why mother when you stay with me
scold me if i have done wrong
but tell me not, everything i do is wrong
Don't you see the injustice done in blindness of love

Mother am i not your child

Getting Better Never Stops

"To whatever level you reach, getting better never stops". Indeed a human persona is that of getting better every second during his time span. Right from birth we start learning new things, understanding things and comprehending things, thus making a better by the moment. It a continuous improvement through out the life span. The volume of information and knowledge in this world so huge that at no point of time can our amount of learning satiate the desire for learning.

As we grow old our desire may decrease but never go away. As i believe the men is already dead if he stops learning. Even the greatest or the most knowledgeable human being will alway have something to learn from others. Life is a thrille if you challenge the limitation of the current understanding and think out of box, Start looking at the same thing or action from different perspective and number of different perspectives available to look are innumerable possibilities.

Average human life span is fixed, now it is left to us to choose the path learning.

How many times you felt that the other being are better off than you ? How do you justify the time spent by you? Do you regret for the time lost or decision made? Well if a can say life is like non deterministic finite automate. Life can pass through n-different states and each decision can lead to k different states where k varies from 1 to n then all we see is

current-state + decision + next state + decision + next state ... so on and so forth...

THE GIFT

"I want to give you something, my child for we are drifting in the stream of world
our lives will be carried apart, and our love forgotten
But I am not so foolish to hope that I could buy your heart with my gifts
Young is your life , your path long and you drink the love we bring you at one drought and trun and run away from us!
you have your play and playmates. What harm is there if you have no time or thought for us!
We, indeed , have leisure enough in old age to count the days that are past, to cherish in our hearts what our hands have lost for ever.
The river runs swift with a song, braking through all barriers. But the moutain stays and remembers, and follows her with his love."

-- Rabindranath Tagore

Let the justice prevail (unfinished yet)

Justice and Equality

"A baby born with a billion dollars--where is the personal merit in that? A baby born with nothing-- where is the personal demerit in that? The one is fawned upon, admired,worshiped, by sycophants, the other is neglected and despised -- where is the sense in it?" Mark Twian

What kind of justice do we crave for. Every one blames his poor condition and wants to improve to a better future. Some fight hard and some have liberty of it from their birth. Justice and equality are only the terms of book or literary ideologies. Nothing seems to be further from truth as to judge a person for what he has done with short sightedness of the event. A human is infected by lot of thoughts which arise due to situation an individual is or has been through during in his life span. His personality is itself shaped by it. Judging a person based on the visibility of the facts from an external observer stand point may not lead to justice.

No man can judge other man not even the one who thinks knows everything about justice can do it. Take a case of person who has murdered his parents and family due to some extra martial affair or case of child killing his gradmother for not letting him have his personal space or any other case where the sinner has sinned by killing other being. What do justice say ? It says to keep the boy or person away from society in a prison or hang him to death or beat him to give him pain. Pain, death and issolation are the punishments that are often thought of as a mean to provide justice. To me this type of justice is a faction justice where a person of the rival gang has to be killed because one of our group has got killed. Most people then have a question if not for pain who do you expect to give justice to the persons where they have suffered due to the innumerable crimes of sinner. I don't cliam to have answer and I agree with all my good heart that its indeed difficult to think of an alternative to, pain the sinner so that he realises that what had gone through victims when they were at his or receiving end. But this is an easy sought justice which even a layman can think off, its a tit for tat action or a reaction towards the assumed sinner for the wrongful deed done in the limited timeframe of visibility.

As has been said by Mark Twian in his saying earlier. The social sense of justice is highly biased and is always depent on three major thing EDUCATION, MONEY and POWER. By birth every human born is equally potent but the situations through which we pass through has very lasting effect on the mind. Also to choose the surrounding is again not within the reach of an individualistic selection, if not for that every one have choosen to be at the best. Believe me no one wants to be left away and every one competes to being the best as he understands the best. Now as per my perception the best for me need not be same as for others because i keep the boundaries to my limitation and I try to challege though boundaries but in reality no boundry exists. So best is again comparitive term and depends on the time. So if we ask a just born babies about the best situation they want to be in, I wonder if they can what would be their answer. Then as the days pass and they start learning the so called realities and get used to perception of objects. The events and sense effect their mind already and the variation in the best starts emerging. The more days pass on each individual goes in his unique trajectory. This is the AXIOM of life.

NO two persons can at any given point of time in given space exists in unison.

Every person measures his perception of the events with other assuming that the other person is also perceiving the same thing in a similar way.

Pain

Given the fact that getting an alternative for pain to do justice is indeed difficult now first us let us dewel on "pain" . This is most sort out means for justice that is used through ages right from childhood, parents and teachers use physical pain and mental pain(fear) as means of punishment. They teach discipline through pain. They give us tasks which if not accomplish punish us by giving metal pain i.e by torturing as to telling us to inform the parents of poor performence. It is used by even taking revange as the thought of giving pain to the opposition gives a great deal of satisfaction to the self. When at the old age people suffer from diseases people say that god is taking a revenge from human by givening physical and mental pain for all the sins he has done for this life and the pre-lifes that he lived (if at all you believe in rebirth). So in this case we are indirectly saying that even GOD uses pain as means do justice. Infact it seems hell is only a store room of pain where your sins are weighed for the amount of pain that you will need to undergo !!!! This may seem rediculous to you at start, but think deeply and you will see that pain in the main weapon that any one has, neither a nuclear weapon or hydrogen bomb can ever replace this weapon. Infact suffering is only result of pain that we have. Pain is the main component of life. Its a differentiating line between live and a dead or non life thing. Such is the greatness 0f pain that it is source for all life as we experience in this universe. Now how do being feel pain or the source of interpretation or the medium through which the pain is communicated is through senses. These are used by living specie to communicate pain to the great conciousness.

All the sensual impluses are constantly conveyed for sensing all the pain. Now see the beauty pain is also an alarm of damage. It warns us and thus helping us protect ourselves too !!! Human body pain as measure and means to protect ourselves from the dangers.

Now this weapon can be used both in a constructive way just like giving a pain to young mind to give knowledge or distructive way where people can be made to suffer from pain for some selfish motive. Well I dont support either, but if i have to as expected i will always chose the prior to latter.

Now what pain are we giving the accused the physical pain to his body . So do we think that giving the accused give the physical pain cancels the pain or crueality he might have done to other being.

LIFE IN EXAM

The Time ticks and the bell rang

There comes a hand pushing papers on my desk
my mind is clean as an young born child
I close my eyes and pray to god
"take me through with the hurdle before me "

The time ticks on and bell rigs

I hear the tearing of papers ...
and see every one is in hurry to go on the conquest
to capture the beast
and claim their victory

The time ticks on and on

I see the first problem before me ...
something seems to be wrong ..
I haven't got the question ..
I read and re-read the question

The time ticks on and on

" Nope there goes a question above my head ... " I think
Fear start running through my spine
I close my eyes again to regain the lost confidence
I say to my self " ..lets try the next question"

The time ticks on and on

Question after Question seems to be in alien script
I start wondering have I got the wrong paper
I look around to get the feel
People cry .."additional sir"

The time ticks on and on

I try my futile attempts to work something on paper ...
I feel the time has stopped and
people around me are busy jutting down their solutions
I decide to relay on my only last option

The time ticks on and on

There come a caution of last 15 mins
I poke my fellow stud at front to get some clue
teacher catches and warning are passed...
there is nothing i can do now

the time ticks on and on ...

I peep out of the window at the free bird
wonder why can't I be like it...
I feel dejected about the hard work i kept on the subject ...
I look around for the last call waiting like person who's death is fixed

The time ticks and the bell ring ...

The same hand come this time to snatch the empty paper from me
I pack my stuff and run through the door like mad rhino
everyone discusses about the problem and marks
I sit down to write this poem

In the name of : Chapter 1: The Begining

Authors Note: Below is story about a boy. The story is in a narative manner (DRAMA TYPE). I have no much experience in story telling or write, but have a strong desire deep inside me. Let me see where it leads. Any feedback or comments is welcome.



ALL CHARECTERS IN THIS DRAMA/STORY ARE FICTICIOUS AND ANY RESEMBLENCE IS A SHERE COINICIDENCE





In the name of



Chapter 1 :The Begining



There is total darkness and flashes come from cameras as a grand house backed is now visible with the noise of peoples hush..hush can be heard. Every one around was talking of something as if something amazing has happened.



"Hi my name is, hmmm well I think you figure it in due course so I would better wait let you figure that out." The words come in an (old) woman voice .


"Today somebody is thinking of me in his dreams and admiring in those beautiful looks.
{in the dream}(people shouting) ... people are crazy about me .. clicking my pictures .. everyone is memerised by beautiy of my display and grace.... everyone want me to be part of his life.. I can see in those eyes... "


Suddenly a royal CAR stops between the crowd and a gentlemen (a child with suit) steps out of it and he walks out of the car and everyone in the crowd are jealous of him


He laughs at all the people ... "hahaha.. "


Suddenly there is a fire alarm and smoke comes out of the back ground house. Everyone present there start running in panic and environment suddenly turn chaotic. There are screams all around and somebody seems to gather a stick and beat the gentlemen... """
The screams get louder and louder and now he can clearly listen to them "Wake up sleepy!!! wake up chintu... !! wake up .. u are already getting late for the drawing exam... " saying this Sheela mother of Chintu walks into Kithchen.


Feeling still sleepyly chintu opens his one eye to check the time. It was 8:00 and the exam was at 9:00. He says to himself in low tone "well, its only 8:00..." and pulls the blanket back and sleeps. In few minutes Sheela enters chintu's room to pull the blanket away and started lecturing him and cleaning his room saying "Man should leave laziness. They will only grow if they are active"" and it goes on and on ...
Having no alternative he gets in a dejected manner and goes to wash his face and gets ready for school. Then there is shoute from Kitchen "Chintu are you ready ?" Hearing this he quickly brushes his hair and runs towards Kitchen saying "ya ma.. I am coming"



Seeing him fresh Sheela gives him breakfast and milk, while he is eating she goes to make ready his bag for the exam. After some time she comes towards him and sits beside him till he is done. As Chintu prepares to go towards the washbasin she pulles him kisses him on his forehead and says "My good son .. !! Now get going and ya .. check if I have kept all the items you have to take for your exam..!! The bag is in your room"


Then there is Knok on the door .. and a shout from the friend of chintu... "Chintu come fast bus is about to move .. come quick" ...


Chintu looks at the watch .. " damn its already 8:40 .. why is the time against me .. " quickly picks up his baggage and in hurry ties his half shoe lace.. when a horn is heard and he starts running... "Mama bye!! Will be back "


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There are students waiting outside a room.







The drawing exam is normally held as last exam and is not of much significance as it has only pass or fail grade associated with it. Also in the record of school none of the student who has attended the exam has ever failed.


There was a full hush hush out side the drawing room as the exam was going to begin in few minutes... and every is in a playful mood.. All were making plans of what they will do after exam.. some were eager to finish off the exam and run to their houses to enjoy .. some were having a holiday trip and happiness and uneasiness were abundantly present in the air.
There is bell and every is asked to come into to the room collect a sheet of paper and start drawing a landscape ...
In every one's mind Mountains flashed... rivers were flowing ... tress and bushes with greenery around.... some started thinking of great monuments Taj Mahal, Charminar.. red fort ... and the list goes..
Before start some go and are getting node of the drawing master...
Chintu had no idea what landscape to draw.. he was not that much good in drawing.. so he blankly checks what others are drawing .. for an idea.. but all were hiding their drawing as they don't want any one to copy ..
Still confused he start looking at the painting in the art room examining each ... suddenly a picture of a house catches his eyes and .. he remembers his dream last night... he thinks why the hell was siren went off and the place caught the fire..
He immediately plans of drawing a simple box house with box rooms... starts to colour it .. shade the ground with green, house with yellow and brown and sky with blue ... he also draws red car before the front door ... At the top he writes my dream house...

dreams and reality

The truth as we perceive in reality might not exist in dreams but it is also true that dreams are real imagination which might be true in the other dimension. People desist it and think it as a disability that person carries which takes him away from truth, but i feel that dreams are just a stage of imagination some may have meaning, some may be totally crap and some may be even scary. When we are dreaming in reality its the reality that you really forget and give potential to your imagination that works in your brain. We still try our best to comprehend all unnatural occurences during the dream period and try to judge it through the natural contraints and laws to which we are so accustomed.

I remember the quote from Swashank Redemption "First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them." I think I would like to apply the same quote to humanity who is adapted to reality even though he hates all the rules and regulation which on imposed on them by nature, society,people etc and now they are hopelessly depend on them and fear to break free through the rules to a world where everything is possible. I think a new born baby is very sensitive to all his sense and does not like any of it as till then he was in dream world in his mothers womb where everything was truth. Now as he enter this real world all the restiction as kept on him to think only about the real things and suddenly all the dream world becomes nothing but a memory that can not be explained.

Last day when I was reading articles on dream, the literature was mentioning on probable cause of dream as the electric signals in our magnificent mind which is trying to optimises and handle all the back end memory management. Also the observation that author made was the reason we almost always during our dreams co relate all the sound that are sensed. The brain tries make sense of any sensual signal or electric signal which is primarily causing the dreams. Though this is still just a theory and there is no concrete evidence but this is as close to facts as it can.

Well whatever may be the cause of the dreams are they truely remarkable. They invoke so much of imaginationation and creativeness of all possibility combining true with fiction in continues fashion. Oo.. some time you become do desperate to chage the world and are trying your best and alas you are even able to move your own legs !!! sometimes you feel like you are running as fast as bird and suddenly fall in deep tranch with no ending... and you wakeup to see the sweet running through the body and horror of your face. Not all dreams as horrifing as these infact some are very good to believe to be true. Like in one my dream I became a super hero to save all friends and community when we were taken hostage by terrorist. But the fact is that most of the time dreams revolve around self and most probabily involving the recent events or problem with which we are strugling in reality is an undeniable fact.